With the elimination of Route 10: Velp and the on-time performance issues surrounding Route 4: Shawno, the current Route 3: Mather and Route 4: Shawno have been realigned to provide access to the northwestern portion of Green Bay.
Conceptually, the two routes are separate but become linked. Thus, the outbound #4 once it reaches the end of the line becomes the inbound #3 and vice-versa for the outbound #3. The route is bi-directional, thus, there are two buses providing service on these routes. However, it should be noted that this is scheduled one-hour service to complete the total loop.
The bus will leave the transit center as it is currently operated. As it heads west on Shawano, it will turn left on Perkins Avenue and service the Badger Lane neighborhood. Upon reaching Siegler Street, the bus will return to Shawno Avenue and continue west. The bus will then head north on Taylor Street and turn right onto Dousman Street and head east. After servicing the ASPIRO on Dousman Street, the route will become the inbound #3 and head towards Military Avenue.
Upon reaching Military Avenue, the route will head north and then head west on Bond Street to service the ASPIRO on Stiles Road. The bus will then return to Military Avenue and turn right onto Moraine Way. The bus will head east until reaching Locust where it will turn right and head south on Locust. The bus will turn left at Desnoyers Street and head east Gray Street. The bus will head south on Gray to Mather, turn left, and continue east along Mather Street until reaching Broadway. At this point, the bus will return downtown as it is currently designed.
The outbound Route 3: Mather travels the reverse of this route.
Attached are current route maps of #3 and 4, as well as the proposed route.
Bus_Stop_Route_3.pdf
Bus_Stop_Route_4.pdf
Proposed_Route_3%264.pdf
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6 comments:
Route 4 to Route 2 is the worst route on the trsnsit. I have taken this route for the past two years and it has never been on time. Why can't mangement arrange for a substitute bus and driver when there is a dalay of 20 minutes or more. The transit seem to not care if passengers are late for work or not. I know there are circumstances that can not be avoided like the trains and boats. But once a driver is down that much the passengers should not have to pay the price of losing their jobs over tardiness. Some drivers try to accommodate the passengers and some don't, they seem to just not care and that is why I feel the transit system should have some type of back up plan for the passengers. In the morning schedules they seem to be okay but the afternoon and evening schedules are terrible.
This is my soap box about Green Bay Metro: I think that eliminating the Velp is a bad decision. As it is there is not a wide enough coverage on the west side, and to combine the routes eliminates more ground that is covered. In a time of high gas prices, Green Bay Metro feels the need to buy smaller buses and cut out routes. You wonder why people don't ride, it is not reliable. With trains and boats, you can't guarantee you will make your destination on time. Green Bay is small, I can walk to work in less time than it takes the Mather bus to pick me up and drop me off at work. Why would I pay $1.50 one way to be driven, without any assurance I am going to make my connection on time? If you made it more affordable and consistent, ridership would increase. I have a car that is far too convenient to run to Target with in 10 minutes than a half an hour ride downtown and then a 45 minute ride to Ashwaubenon. I rode the bus during college for 4 years, and it was the most stressful time of my life. After 1:15pm the buses are useless. They are not on time, the drivers don't make an attempt to get you to your destination on time, especially if you are in De Pere, and in the evening you cut back the frequency of the routes. Great, so I can miss my bus and wait twice as long for the next one. To solve your west side problem why not bring back the West Side Connection route? It would be nice to get around the west side without having to go downtown. Ridership would increase too if city officials weren't terrified to get on it. Try setting an example. Green Bay is too busy trying to hide the untouchable people. Also good luck getting a seat on the Mather/Velp combo route at 6:45 am when the Aspiro group is being brought to work. As it is there is barely enough space.
Regarding the change to a 1 hour route. Would the 4 and 3 departure and arrival times be offset by 1/2 an hour? Some 1 hour routes leave the transit station at 15 past, while others leave at 45 past the hour. By offsetting the 3 & 4 combined departure times a person could chose which one to take to reach the transit center for the best connection.
Example: I catch a local at 6:00am to catch the #12 from downtown at 6:15am, get to work for 7:00. If the first Shawano/Mather leaves at 5:45 and doesn't get back to the transit station until 6:45 I can't make that connection.
When will the new times be available with the new routes, for review?
this is joshua rowell and i live in marinette wi and when i came to greenbay on july 25th 2008 and heard the were taking out 1o velp and redoing every other bus route but 16 i was mad no routes should be changed just get more drivers
We need a outer loop route. I shouldn't have to go downtown to get 5 blocks to home depot. Its not efficient. A loop route would add more efficiency than a combined route here.
The changes in these routes not only effect the riders but the people who reside on these routes. I live on Perkins Ave. A dead end street with 3 blocks. These changes were a shock to me and a few other people in the neighborhood since none of us had any clue that buses were now going to add to the noise and conjestion in this area. The first clue any of us had were the bus stop signs going up.
My gripes about this new route are as follows....
This area is congested enough without adding city buses. With the amount of school buses, medivans and personal vehicle traffic, this little area cant handle it all. There is parking on one side of the street making it hard to navigate 2 cars let alone a bus. There are no sidewalks on Perkins Ave past PDQ car wash. Just where are the people waiting for the bus going to stand? In the road? I dont think so. They will be in my front yard where one of the "stops" was put. The other one being up on the corner of Perkins and Shawano Ave, which is an accident waiting to happen. With the amount of cars coming out of PDQ, I can just see the mess that will make out of traffic. Having this bus stop in my front yard will not only add to the noise already in the neighborhood but to the people tresspassing on my property, littering, and all the black smoke and smog that will end up in my home. Not to mention the way the bus shakes my house and everything in it everytime it goes by. I know the city has budgets to meet but at the expense of its residence? I dont think so.
After speaking to Spyros Saucier, the operations director with Green Bay transit, about possibly moving this bus stopin front of my house I had some hope that he would take my suggestion and move this bus stop to the corner of Perkins and Badger St, where the bus has to yield anyway. I was told he would go take a look and that I could call him back at the end of the week to see what he decided. I called and of course got an answering machine where I left my phone number and am still waiting for my message to be returned. Since nobody in the neighborhood was aware of these changes I asked Mr. Saucier how they went about letting us know. He responded that there were articles in the Green Bay Press-Gazette letting us know. Hmmmm...So in order to keep up with things in this city we all have to subscribe the this newspaper? Since the tv is the way most people get their news maybe the Green Bay Metro should consider this as an avenue to inform people.
There are many reasons this route shouldnt be going down Perkins Ave., too many to list here. I for one, will fight this new route and will encourage my friends and neighbors in this area to do the same. If the stop in front of my house isnt moved I will file complaints against any riders who tresspass on my property, who litter on my property or who are unusually loud.
Its going to be a long hot summer on Perkins Ave.
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